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After age 35, 'we all play (basketball) white,' Oregon State's new coach, Craig Robinson, says on HBO's 'Real Sports With Bryant Gumbel.'

Gumbel interviewed Robinson and his more famous brother-in-law, Barack Obama, about the sport.

On the show, Obama compares basketball to jazz for its impact on black culture, in part because 'there's an aspect of improvisation (in jazz and basketball) within a discipline that I find very, very powerful.' Obama adds: 'Here is a place where being black was not a disadvantage. Here was a sport in which we were dominant,' noting that 'I could get to the rim on anybody.'

Robinson says Obama 'started out as a black player who played black and is now more of a black player who plays white, just so he doesn't hurt.'